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Dirt & Sprague, Tuesday 3-7-17 Hour 1

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The guys debate the value of Kawhi Leonard over Curry, Harden and Westbrook...plus reports claim ESPN will make significant cuts to its on air talent.

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Pay its break here really appreciate you listening about to get some podcast excellence has presented by less Schwab tires doing the right thing since 1952. By day. Durbin spray and Herbert. And over and over so many sir. Our credit for the endangered Johnson and Brendan spray and markets were mixed and special. Obviously through the work makes stories collide they choose you know this guy mixers are going to extremes and stuff exclusively as a group. We just aren't that many people on a consistent basis you know the entire game payment for the Cologne. Good to have dirt and spray gun 1080 okay. Ryan is well bowed to. Oh in rent city it is time for nerds break here on ten AD defend Britain's Greg alongside Andy Dirk Johnson. Boy we have got a loaded show for you today and have won a good show Obama got taken today maybe I but both sides of the floor today. We of course have the blazers thing they didn't get to play last night their game got postponed due to Disney on IE CNN is. The key yeah. How was that Lauren. God don't wanna play basketball. IE you are recording app before the show and I leaned over to you and I just simply said how do you watch that well if you're curious what that was the first clip yet because I have no clue what that is I think most parents out there are no that. That's the magic words to get the Mickey Mouse is clubhouse the blazers should they just walked in the Minnesota's arena that's. Yeah. You know they say match play and I get into the clubhouse oh yeah now the house appears what what happens in Mickey Mouse is clubhouse like all sorts of magical bangs oh I model my idea is all kinds of nasty things asked. The nasty how to watch these TV shows them and have my own story lines dammit. I don't care if they're trying to find the magic be mocked somewhere okay that's just weird that just all sorts of weird. Yeah that happened last and again they got rained out that an NBA game got rained out because a Disney on ice like come on Minnesota you about at the map. Indianapolis they should be used to this stuff by now. It's one thing if it's an NHL game that range you out. It's another thing amidst Disney on ice yeah that's just a whole level the mayors saying yeah it's not his second time this year the blazes erratic a game postponed. Yeah get a get snowed heavily it snowed out I got rained out when was that was that Memphis that we were playing not dear Laura. We're no Memphis was a game Detroit yeah yeah right as the Detroit and it ended up losing to the pistons in double overtime. So for the second straight time the blazers don't get to play a ball game I also saw this little tidbit. Lavar ball I guess was on Collins showed today. And I just saw something tweeted out. He had an answer and talking responding to Charles Barkley who basically call them a jackass last night on inside the MBA which is accurate I mean every Els hasn't America. And I guess his response. If we could find this audio played at some point this shows why aren't. His response verbatim the quote is let me find it here. The quoted as if Charles not like me maybe he won he'd win a championship. Yeah a guy who never played in the NBA who's raised descends to be good basketball players says that it Charles Barkley thought like him and on NBA player he when won a title he was based around basketball player yet he EE would've beaten Michael Jordan. And the NBA finals from his son's little won that championship yeah are you telling me. We do and if you're Alonso ball like you do the kid got about one point you turned your dad tell me a shot up does that weigh would've been that way a long time ago for me. I know he's obviously isn't as a big impact in him getting to the point is that that. Man this is is it it's a circus around him now and I wonder NBA teams will be scared away from drafting him because of it he's more outgoing and more outspoken. Is it any different or is it that much different tee using Tom Brady's dad Tom Brady's dad has said a bunch of things he has his career it's different I do it there's a difference though I think one year when you're the go. But when your eyes Tom Brady's level players that they need is kind of laugh at all when you've proven something at the national level in Tom Brady bill when he came out and talked members data those statements about the Super Bowl and Roger Goodell and all that stuff Tom Brady came on to get my dad's no longer going to be available to the media he sees his access has been cut off to the microphone. Because he put his foot is now the Tom Brady didn't want it the distraction it's just unfair your kids man dead to constantly. Be a distraction around a kid who probably will be a top five or top three tech yeah. C can't fix stupid Lamar ball of course gonna take his shiny went on Collins show any basically said Charles thinks like me he'd get arraigned. I didn't wanna start with this I watched they were really good basketball game last night and I don't know if you did maybe you didn't. Did you watch San Antonio Houston I did that was one hell of an NBA game that was a fantastic hoops game. All I deal with in my life just is a guy who loves the MBA and I can't explain why other than it's just something I've always been into your basketball guy. I do we hear it quite often I'm okay with because I do the same thing to hockey and sometimes to baseball and of course to soccer but it's a bad product. Yeah basically it's crap that it's not fun to watch it's too many games like I hear that a lot last night was one of the exceptions though I don't care if you ate the NBA regular season you think it's too long. It's and it's not competitive enough. Last night was a great game between a potential 23 matchup in the playoffs. Although San Antonio winning that now there are only two and a half games back of the warriors. But Houston in San Antonio was ADM good ball game. It really was I have no complaints I'm a believer that most of the NBA product tends to be a boring for me that there's certain matters or give me a lot I love watching the Christmas Day game between Cleveland and Golden State and Santonio whatever they're involved that's again to get be rolled him but. Whenever you have to NDP candidates going head to head in on top of that you have played the way they did last night. I debt that was the selling point that's all I needed a team's success didn't really matter that much to me it does help but. Yeah James Harden go for 39 points and Wald says he was thirteen at when he from the floor. Against 35 points the first three course we didn't do much support lay out 35 going into the fourth they look why Leonard did was. Amazed at least twelve of eighteen you can meet for five from three. 39 points huge block if he usually the block this secrecy saudis were seventeen points in the fourth quarter yeah and we you're the top of this quote there in the opening him just speed he wanted to and he went out took it that that was one hell of a game and end for the most part I do believe the ambient products Sox but. There's certain examples like this that rise above that was a dim the bass boat and because of the. I'm conference tournaments I watch some of that as well and we've got a couple coaches coming on our showed this week when tomorrow and Thursday. But unless you watch that I don't know how you don't tune into a game like that San Antonio Houston that's a good match of them to really good teams. And you're actually right they showed out 39 points from Leonard 39 points from James Harden. Yeah Harden didn't have as great a fourth quarter but. Quite Leonard came up big in just reminded everybody that look all the same VP chatter about Harden and LeBron and mainly Westbrook. Why is my name not give brought up more and I think that's a valid question. Quite Leonard to me. Is is almost a case study for a sports fan. Do you do you think about quite Leonard's greatness do you recognize it. Or do you just see highlights C gamer too that maybe nationally aired on ABC your TNT. And go yeah pretty damn good player. Outside of when you talk to James talk about James Carner stepped courier LeBron or Westbrook. Phenomenal talent amazing energy Atlantis ism. I mean he checks all those boxes as well. Let nobody talks about them it's an easy answer is to raise. Number one he's not in the limelight he's not an outgoing personality he doesn't do interviews he's not in commercials he's just not an. In terms of an entertainment standpoint he's not a name that comes the mine outside the basketball world. And number two is the market they places like San Antonio is blow me away for twenty years now that they've been relevant. It still of a forgotten market like even last year I don't Santana got bounced the second round of the playoffs but. Even last year than regular season and they had nobody talked about when they were on the Golden State shields all season they themselves are pushing. The potentially have a chance to break the bulls' regular season win loss record. And they were never won a conversation I think it's because of the market that the Rand to smaller market and the brand of basketball they play it it. Boring is is unfair but when you compare them to a Golden State when you compare them to watching LeBron James among Cleveland does. Are we Houston doesn't all the points they score it is somewhat of a boring brand of basketball CI I would absolutely beg to differ it's like a pitcher's duel I would give me that that's example I would make treatments of one nothing lights up pitcher's duel on some people say. I want more runs I want home runs watching one nothing baseball's boring my problem with that argument. Is that I just don't think it's simply true. I think a couple things play a factor in this in this whole the spurs are boring team to watch. I think a big one is we are so when you say the San Antonio Spurs. I think what comes your mind is David Robinson and Tim Duncan was the first suit names a prime become the most people's minds when you just name that organization when our day. They're back to the basket post up players that dribble the ball couple times kill the shot clock fundamentally sound fundamentally pass the ball to get back into the big man. They haven't been that for a year now they have an at all and we continued to label him as boring I think that's one element that plays and another is San Antonio simply. Is San Antonio. I've been to San Antonio before I had a good time there but overall. It's it's boring there's not a ton to do in San Antonio. And adding the third thing is this in this may be the most important factor. How many people can and can name the players on their team you would probably say Parker Ginobili. Cool why Leonard. I mean unless your blazer fan Patty Mills LaMarcus to meet. He's got to good and markets its products. But he got a president nationalities and non factor nationally would NBA so it's a me I think that's almost their biggest problem is that they have to deal with this label of boring. When to me it's just simply nobody knows the players on their team they play is similar style to Golden State. They shoot a lot of three they'll source may points Miguel did you play similar Sally Iraq and they they absolutely locked down on. TV audience may be don't resonate. As much as Golden State or Houston and I think one of the big aspects of that is always been the fact that the face at their team. Doesn't have a personality. I say it's a big part of the draw in the end is very milk so it was the same thing for twenty years with Tim Duncan and I know Tony Parker originally were big parts of those teams but Tim Duncan was always the face of the San Antonio Spurs along with Gregg Popovich. And he did have a personality was no Telus and they're not rob rob what that he won a lot of titles but. It's the same thing now when you compare Hawaii letter to these superstars and other teams look at staff curry. An outspoken guys involved in politics is now commercials he plays a for a flashy brand. Saint April Westbrook teasing commercials James Harden the beard recognizable LeBron James speaks for himself so you compare Hawaii. To those other four or five local best guys in the league right now. And he's a non factor just because we just don't know who years. He's the second best two way player in the league yes he will be the number one when the bronze stops being his prime absolute I think a night in night out basis he is better to wade and LeBron but when you come when push comes to shove I'm not letting anybody above LeBron in that category. But he's right there. This is our poll question actor and Sprague on Twitter and it just kind of got me thinking from last night. If you're starting a franchise. Who would you want your starting right now with the players in their primes right now all things equal would you want why Leonard. James Harden stepped curry. Or Russell Westbrook that's our poll question actor and Sprague. How do you feel about that 55305. Is the Pentax line. Justin not gains he's gonna beyond today at 1 o'clock scoop duck dot com is his new venture. And we're gonna bring him on we'll talk about that and talk about the mortgage duck football. We've got to get to vote lol I want to continue to item acquire Leonard aunts and read some tax the coming in at 55305. Is he the most unassuming superstar we've ever seen you got turned Sprague on an eighty the fan in me. Yeah I'm back in 1218 on 1080 the fan our poll question of the day. Who would you rather build your NBA franchise around why Leonard James Harden Russell Westbrook and staff curry are your four options we also put that FaceBook dot com backs last 1080 the fan. No Meyers Leonard on the list. Is such a jerk. I was alone lost. Smelling -- guys make it ten million dollars a year cracked mirror you know what I have sympathy form he struggled Jeanne you know army times early in that guy's career I preface my negativity about Sandy's a nice guy if if things really nice guy but he just sucks at basketball I think everybody practices Meyers Leonard that was a great guy he's a nice guy. I am glad he isn't anything in life is so good glove. Yeah. Noble we are talking about the spurs inquire Leonard is he the most unassuming superstar we've ever seen. And I I really thought about this last night I was thinking about this this morning on my drive into the station. And I know Duncan would be any easy response for most and I'm not even arguing Tim Duncan in that category. But we have to remember Tim Duncan early in his career for the first two or three years. Was in those Gillette commercials with David Robinson he did it become quiet in milk toast tell Robinson laughed. So that the odds the onset of his career in the twin tower yet he was in commercials he was poking fun at himself he was some fun with David Robinson and many went quiet. Opposed to quiet Leonard since day one who pleads. We know about money drives again 96 or 97 top oh yeah I never Lister is still a fact he still tries and tries that same Korea you know I've. All this went out there and none of it's true or not but I would go one that comes in my mind would be Larry Bird. I know Larry Bird was in commercials he was a household name in him and magic the rivalry was was obviously well publicized. But just in terms of being unassuming and living a normal life and going out there and me and playing your ass off every night being an NDP type player yeah Larry Bird comes to mind for me I was in Iowa flash wasn't in lights wasn't into the entertainment value of it I kind of thought to NFL wise Calvin Johnson Kevin Johnson's some commercials but overall you never release on that much Larry FitzGerald when he was in the prime of his career. Probably the best wide receiver in the NFL Yahoo!. Budding allowed people would kind of forget him app. At times not all the time but at times you all of the talent johnsons of the world and in this guy and that guy anybody athletes aged girl you know I forgot about him. That's what why Leonard is. In NBA circles like people if you follow the MBA a lot in I don't need to tell you this do you but I think sports fans in general that. May catching game here or there but don't follow it throughout season. He is an old Jack guy. Where we talk about the NBA we stepped curry look it is seasonal man LeBron still LeBron in Westbrook. And Harden. It you know why it would look like yeah yeah cool why Leonard he is absolute. Leave the oh yeah guy in the NBA won a lot of closer Jenny and about the local commercials he's been in in San Antonio which I'm sure just thrilling thrilling commercials route I'm not saying he doesn't do and I noticed our government national respect ideas I'd be fascinated to watch says because his drive personality and he just would be fun to watch and trying to sell product. That but it enters the poll question this is one of the easier ones we town awhile and as I don't think this is as easy as you think it I it's not an early close for me. Did the only answer right goal at this choir Leonard. I eighty is the best two way player of the group he's not as explosive offensively. You know lobby is any of the other three but. In terms of his demeanor in terms of his mentality on terms of bar love the fact the shies away from the spotlight I'd like my super started to have that kind of mentality of I'm not in this for and a tame an anonymous from branding I'm in this to win and and that is to me is why Leonard. The best two way player I did to me it's a no brainer that if of those four if I'm building a franchise the first one I pick a school Weiler. I remember reading a story about him policy was a year or two ago. And the story basically was when he came into San Antonio. They were they were really frustrated with him for the first two years of his career. Because they they were telling him to play aggressively in the Tate games over he wouldn't do it. He just he did he's a very team oriented guy which that's a great profit to having your superstar slash franchise player. But they too were really pissed they're quite. Take it over go to do your vague and for the longest time he wouldn't do what he always felt on comfortably you wanna be a mean guy. And now he's finally obviously Duncan is out he's finally to that point. And site I just think that's a good representation of who years as far as the poll question goes which player would you want. Cool why Leonard I think most people would probably takeaway for the simple fact of what you just said best two way player on this list there's no arguing that. I would probably have a tough time no still debating if I go cool why. Or James Harden and James are minor ways having the least amount of what he's up 5% of that vote wait staff courage to me in the four will be in the bottom of the list and CIA I agree a 100% on that step curry people need to put this in perspective I I don't an. Hate on stuff curry I think he's a damn good players very deserving of being a multiple MVP winner. Stuff curry and Golden State before dream on played. They worry first slash second round team they were basically Damian Miller and the blazers now I know the boys are bad this year but just in reference to last year's team. That was kind of Golden State. Flash she financed we shoot a lot of threes we don't play a lot of defense. We're not gonna win a ton of games when enough to get in and we'll get a first round and we may upset somebody get to a second round. That's peaks staff Curry's son Jesse I know what they can do yet so not it doesn't take to me doesn't take away necessarily. What he's accomplished. It's just simply saying of all things are equal when your building from the ground up. Staff scurried to me is no different to what team is doing go look at their stats by the way there eerily similar in a lot of categories. Westbrook would be the third option for me. I would be I'd be I'd be split between hard and Leonard data because Harden is not getting enough love noise now familiar what that he's done this season here is that in this year's great and there's a great story out to the senate turns Sprague is well there's a great story dirt on him. And his life in what he's done last year. Last year was so disappointing how we cut everything that had to do with fame in paparazzi. The Chloe cart bashing he cut all that out of his life because he realized. He's a franchise player any doesn't have time for this all he wants to do was play basketball and now you're Tennessean some of the results of that. Play in this outlines a mean you just compare him on the season collide 26 point three and six rebounds four assists for James Harden and 2911 assists and eight rebounds hitting a lot of that it is just the product to be offence that the ran as well. And what the rest do you mean James Harden used in runs everything through James Harden and San Antonio eyes are the guys that can contribute on the offensive end of the floor that did the deciding factor though is this the fact the gyms are not play defense. I if you're gonna be the fray in the face of the franchise and you're gonna carry a team and in the offensive games to me are are somewhat similar. The easy choices decide with a guy that plays defense and outside a LeBron James and you almost even field. Bad putting glad Letterman that same conversation because nobody will ever be LeBron James but outside of LeBron there's not a better two way player in league no I and I'd never does that and that's why does that that's what you want in the face of the franchise but you know watching. 67. Teams that I watch in my league pass like I will tune in to these spurs games just because. You know as well listen employer out earlier it's beautiful basketball it's at its core and it's definition. It's kinda how we game is supposed to be played you care a lot about the defense and he shared the ball enough to the other thing if you're starting a franchise with Cole why. It makes it some if you look at our from a coaching your general manager position when your best player is your hardest worker and a coach can get on Emmett practice. And that's the standard that is being sad it's releases ago. You know just other players won't. Follow coli and you know we'll have a discussion you wannabe you wanna be great you wanna do more playing time you want a big contract do what he's doing. Rather than you know and he's I don't know how much of an influence he is in the locker room. We know he's not one publicly but I don't know if I want. I James Horton to be the overshadowing. Personality in my locker room if that. Creates more friction and what he's not as you James Harden no this is there they James Harden we get the rest of his prime career. I I'd still take collide you know does so. Oh many you know or things he impacts the game we saw the finals against LeBron now there's they receive funny even fine I don't know we've seen this. There's a funny mine from the finals as the years go when they played he was on the heat. LeBron is shooting a free throw and right before the rest are balances in the ball the horn goes off for substitution. DeVine is literally that at LeBron and in the horn goes off he looks over and it's coli Leonard checking in and then they panned back to LeBron. Any makes this like Tim face and you never see that like he is maybe the only player. That can go someone's head to head with LeBron in a in terms of playing him defensively. And trying to match what he does offensive line is this also ceased ended the franchise's San Antonio is where it it's a mix of lock and it's a mix of great scouting because what pick was cool islander. Way to go on the first round. He didn't go to shoot I mean I know it was it was a late twenties but I know he wasn't a top ten pick if I remember correctly in interest beast is Dem finding that the fifteen year fifteenth overall eleven. An eagle back and look at its way eleven draft and I bet you would just aren't laughing at the names that were taken had a quite Leonard the face of the franchise you had the name of the NBA action today SC. Real quick I know swagger I know you want us to go I just I wanna read this for a quake. Twenty. 2000 eleven NBA Japanese fifteen to the names taken the more is two wins. From Kansas lips Alec Burks from Colorado Klay Thompson was eleven Jimmer Fredette was ten. Kemba Walker was nine Brandon Knight was eight this Mac the number 07. Jan says Lee from the Czech Republic arrow. Who the hell out still early don't you on beyond my apologies Jan Jan gray name should be jammed ballots Eunice allergy and is Tristan Thompson is cantor Derrick Williams carrier ring yeah. The swing in the midst number of guys that were taken and that's why this. Birds are the spurs are really good tax at 55305. Uncle why Leonard some music Katie in the same age group is those guys and is underrated defender on role with Katie ten times out of ten now and not over while honor for me now. No I I think I takeaway Leonard as well but that that's a good debate to have crack KD is absolutely great player. Spurs are the most fundamentally sound team in the NBA anyone who thinks the spurs are boring is ignorant period. I wish Americans can do a James Harden dig deep it give the car dash sheen's idea type I life will improve. Very true a lot of he would just icing and basically they go quite letter yet. So. I don't quite letter watch that game last night it's a good reminder just how damn good here and after that performance he was drug tested in the locker room yes he was out on by the way keep this in mind they're two and half games back of my home state so anybody thought the notion that they detention was ridiculous well the right they're now. Coming up next we'll shift gears a little bit. ESPN is making big cuts with on air talent who's your favorite ESPN personality. And who's your least favorite ESPN personality will discuss ESPN's problem next. Over the past several years. ESPN has glossed over thirteen. Million. Cable and satellite subscriber growth there amongst one the highest. Charges in terms of monthly fees for the channel. In ESPN is reportedly now looking to cut up to a hundred million in on air talent. I'm now not everyone will be fired some on this is going to Kuwait two guys simply just not being renewed with contracts a lot of expiring contracts. In the involved decide with the people that will be axed. But they're looking to save costs and I was reading a few blurbs from clay Travis is peace. On this and out kick kick coverage there's there's a few articles out there he confide them. I just I tend likely Travis is writing I don't always agree with what he says owning some of it is a little bias on and adding this is another example of that but I still think there's really get information in this article after sure to see sites that hey I'm not biased people call me out so don't write about fox sports. And then he goes well fox sports only gives me 25%. In my salary. Yeah that's that's still kind of considers you to be biased you're no writing about how badly raided FS one it yet they don't get ratings and they just cut their evening sports center and they tried to compete with the SV NAJ and Dan and now lasted about a year and a half so every single day in 2017. ESPN is losing 101000 subscribers or more according to clay Travis. And I he's projecting that ESP and is on pace to start losing money by 20/20 one. A 45 years away from that on yells at ESPN will pay out seven point three billion for sports rights in 27. Teen. ESPN continues to lose three million subscribers a year so if you base it off the number that they had the last few sees years. You just project that out he goes to two point when he won. 86 million this year. 83 next year eighty the year after 77 and ended 20/20 17 before. Million subscribers which if you breakdown the monthly costs. And then you add in how much they pay for sports rights fees like the NFL and NBA. And don't forget college football to a playoff and college football. They basically will turn a profit. Which is the odd thing where I mean look it as an ESPN organization they have to live. They have to bid for the rights for the split up playwrights a minute and then those the things that he has been hang their hat on Sunday they have to outbid other networks and and that's kind of did the only can't miss television they have and does went right I mean outside of the big time sporting an insidious yet has Monday Night Football the NBA games NBA playoffs while guard Julie's baseball league baseball in college football especially to big games on Saturday nights in a playoff. How much campus television do they have. I mean do I mean just for you guys a sports focus I try to rack my brain I love this TP. On what when you when it's something I'm sitting around and I don't flip around SEPs on I'll turn on and watch the sky and there's no longer a game my wanna watch anymore it is got to see what happened today but they see this is what I've noticed about this is not a shot as VP is one more talented guys are getting in the entertainment industry. This is an a shot I this thing this is basically what I hear when I when I hear things like what you're saying. He's not must see television he now he's on and I enjoy him but I don't seek it out now that's a problem. Yeah I just I don't mind him 5000 operas a year you're paying him a hefty Saddam your pay a lot of money I just I don't know how much chemist TV there really isn't sports last anymore and I I think it's it's where these these media companies are identical points especially in sports television. And of trying to send a new era that we are in terms of media where there's so many different ways you can access the information that you want when they're beyond your phone whether via on YouTube. It went when you dissidents force particularly. And then we can all just access the the individual sport that we won if I wanna watch sending a baseball wants GM LB network NFL NFL network yeah and that the idea of all the individual networks so. I think I think networks are are really struggling to find. The show and in the format that works I mean ESPN the newest one their trying is is Gmail hill endowed Michael Smith a six to six and I using it's awful but they're trying to go younger I think they're trying to. Laura oh culture it's the same thing they do if me Olin stand. On the late. West Coast the Los Angeles sports on our late at night where they wall freak couple take advantage of Hollywood they'll be musicians in and actors and then. That's sort of thing that actually prefer their sports Saturday SVP's personal I agree with you there. Besting it in as Danielle and get out of bass is no doubt I mean that's my favorite sport center but again that's. I don't actively try to watch that every night and this is another problem too is. The over saturation on television like this isn't just an ESPN from fox sports does this. Woke up they'd they'd finally did away with this there're there are. Yes and her eyes and say no but there's still an over saturation of what they aired a skip Bailey show probably three times a day. You can go local Comcast does this what's the difference using duct talk and talk undocks. The same damn show like there's an over saturation and sports television or whether that's local or that's a national stage. So I just think that's a problem that a lot of companies have to deal with that's not exclusive to ESP yen. So if you talk about what programming do you like. When they're they're stuck in a 24 hour news bubble they're now basically what news and political TV channels have to do. 24 hours always on demand they're not always churning new eyeballs or getting people to watch every program they produce. But they are kind of forced into that situation but I don't know what else he would do I just wonder I mean they got a. Seeing you know with all the cord cutting their house to be a point at which they see in the future. They just decide to do what HBO did in just offered their own streaming service. There's got to be a tipping point a breakeven point where they do that. And figure out what to charge. To just did everything on great and as well was the more more better and more reliable high speed Internet gets into more and more. Cities and it across the country yeah I was surprise element and more that I'm so I don't know I don't know what that dough does chewed their ability Vista I mean. They're still gonna be what 75 million households. That they're reaching through their traditional table eighty million right oh even five years down the road if you keep dummy. But five years of that number keeps projecting out this is what the story is about is your yet what what I what I'm saying about the and the profit because they made four and a half billion last you know I understand that that's normally Disney guy at some point in of those diminishing returns let's say okay this is work makes sense of where we just go do our own thing. NE CM hooking up with the and the new YouTube channel with Sony PlayStation view. I don't know they are all both of those I don't know what that's figured into the 75 million or what they're making off of those so. It's it's pretty complicated but at some point they have to. Realize if they just did their own streaming service and he people paid for a bed you know OK then they can catch up on the other hand why. Wanted to point this out real quick Turks and you wanna see some that just is this is TV revenue from the NFL in 2016. This is an eye opening. Fox made one point four billion. NBC 909 million CBS 867. ESPN and ABC me 285. From TV revenue. ESPN this past year paid two billion. For the NFL writes just for the season. Basically they paid two billion to make 285 million dollars which is not a good business form that is a garbage this is formed amid an what are they ever give that Monday night up at the NFL keeps given them you know and the bottom man I don't know should think about it. I mean you're making all these Thursday and Sunday night is basically the prime time big game of the week and I got Saturdays at creep and a little bit because that's all ESPN has in mind and I've football and they get to one wildcard game in a locker again they had this year was Oakland and Houston it's try I mean that was the worst of the playoff are wiser verses. Cook it was an even Oz while restarting and he's was he discernible Afghanistan an idea so that in that that's what they were stopped went in the playoffs it the better it'll foursome to put it back if they put it back on ABC on the network if they can. Then leverage better matchups wind. And I and I do think it's aboard you know like we we often talk about the struggles of ESP NS that's because they're the giant like when you compare ESPN the other sports networks is nine holes that the ratings they blow up fox force one and the ratings it's not even a conversation. I just I just ignored inches decline it was forced television and it's hard to find a shoulder it's not a live sporting event. That becomes can't miss TV riding just looked recently at the landscape looks a sports television nasty people who went over that's new format a sports center. Not really can't miss TV for a lot of folks the ratings aren't through the roof now Katie Nolan everybody loved skating all when she won an Emmy she was Smart she was funny she was cutting edge. Her show just got canceled by fox sports wanted to let nobody did enough viable nobody watched it Bill Simmons tried to go the HBO route right let's go one filtered let's well I'll cuss words let's do a sit down. Difference Alice ward show yeah coming up Sosa batting him last night I canceled two I'd dodges and beat these networks don't know old. How to how to find a show that reaches the masses and is something that a pieces to the millennial audience they can access information and so many different ways and in immediately whenever they want it. While the same time keeping older generation. Happy yet there's something I want to address on the other side of the break and I've seen a few times on the tech signing kind of cracks me up because it couldn't be more in correct and then also here's a question that I really want you know ponder over. A lot of people attacks and they don't actively seek out programming outside of life sports. What would your alternative would be if you it didn't exist as we all say this socks that's not good that shows not good. All right and what he watched you just watch Netflix and Hulu and Amazon prime. Or would you actually miss those shows in you don't realize that unless it's gone we'll talk about that's more your turn sprayed on 1080 the fan. I would like to give a quick shot out to a listener Dan who tweet us during that segment awful announcing Diddy article. Says he has been faces challenges which could do better listening clay Travis Hubble announcing its clay Travis. For those that folic sports media so I'm not surprised that that's the title of it I just wanted to read this little thing that I got a Chrysler o'clock. Is a ESP NPR rap and he responded to clay Travis is tweet slash stories in your numbers Vasily inaccurate click chasing any responsible. On and that was the only thing so maybe it's not a hundred million that they're gonna end up cutting in on air talent they are adamant that it is not that amount of money but still they are going to be cutting some and this whole dynamic of what you watching when you watching him what you're looking for is an interesting one to me because there is one narratives that I hear the most out. With ESPN when you say ESPN now. When I see a lot of people react to his. All very less slanted. Sports station calling them political leanings is why turned it off they're all liberals it's on all those people on now those shows are all liberal on their pushing their agenda I hear that quite often not only on the tax line but on Twitter and you see it on. You know little comment. Blogs on some of these these postings. To that I I kind of I chuckle not that there are not laughed I mean there's no doubt there's probably a substantial amount on that are liberal. Well my response would be. That's not why they're failing or not feeling but that's not why they've had a stroke the last couple years I'm saying failing Amy Ford have billion dollars last year up right right. That's the most inaccurate I think reading of the whole circumstance. And I think there's a case in point in entertainment television that goes against it and it's a good example. Steven called air broken a late night TV and took David Letterman place. He bombed his first few months in fact I think he was for 68 months for bad they were terrible the ratings went way down nobody was interstate I anyway Alan was hammering every yes Angola now since the trump collection team to an end and now in the presidency go look at the ratings you know who's dominating. Stephen cold air is spending the Tonight Show what they changed some behind the scenes guys with producers and things and now they chase some of the format of the show but he's still what does he do a lot of it is just politics it's all politics he makes fun of trotting its political guests on his monologue is all politics he deals sit down and do bits from the desk that are about politics Jon Stewart on a talk called it's all politics bait and say you can't tell me that all stick to sports this is something but a late night show is not a stick to comedy and entertain me. Conversation do the same thing they're both supposed to be escapees are avenues. But a lot of people really enjoy eight. Make you know whether you agree politically or not ran a lot of people are clearly tuning in to the late night circuit boards that. It Timmy Sprague it is similar comparison in a similar argument people made about comic happening this year remember every time we talked NF a ratings were down why wall cause a colleague captain nick and that's a small percentage of insurer rather people that don't watch the NFL this season because a cap predict. Yeah probably is this process Liz percentage and I say descending about sports and that's the small small percentage and a very small reason. Of why they might be quote unquote. Struggling right now and I just. Yeah judges in terms that the person not is that they have that stand out when ESP and I just don't know how many there are anymore. That when you go back to it they're used to be so many household names there and did the further you get away from and I just don't know Ole. What resonates with people and I think Sports Radio is a big part of this is well with the growth of Sports Radio on top of that because. We re a lot of metrics were always interest it is clr industries doing our industry stronger and it's ever bad it's free it's in your car you drive and rowdy turn on some people. Or even text the end Sany don't you guys aren't can't miss but on in my car to turn anonymous. Get all the updates today as they shouted for that we're not. Can't miss radio hey thanks for listening and we appreciated anyway but you know we it's a latex instead. You know I need cable or satellite sports anymore listen to the fan I'll beg all my sports information on my sports news that way. But it's audio on you know what's happened throughout the day for listening to Sports Radio so. I think that that's a part of the problem as well that those are the folks that you confided dudes is somebody different outlets you can get your information from at this point need to rely on ESPN anymore and I now. I also think too this has been texting quite often I agree with this. I do think it's a regional problem I think that's coming to head we take our region. We've got blazers docs we've got beavers occasion home and see ox or whoever NFL we love the NFL in this market we always rate really well. On an a little baseball right. That's kind of our region. And I think there's a real region problem for ESPN if you go to ESPN radio right now. I guarantee they're talking about LeBron coli Leonard. Duke basketball the New York Yankees and NFL free agents and NFL free agents like you're never going to get anything that pertains to you specifically and I think that's catching on not only. And the West Coast I think in the midwest local to me and I and I'm saying this being one of the guys it's a local I love my job. Local to me will always went out. If you compare local program to a national program in terms of what you truly care about. It's all about reps to mean bringing the music you care about that's iPod phone call my mom so Big Ten. SEC football 2.3 hours of free ride daisy yearly holiday in history so you know we're gonna go down of that region where is gonna football find bomb on nationally if you like a great if you don't you tell tuning in because you'll love SEC pulled it. And you know it's like you road one last segment about indeed need the streaming in and in being able to get like an app Michael watch ESPN kind of hang in and I do I'm surprised they haven't gone down more those avenues but the other fear factor there is if you do something like that it's independent away from cable as do cable companies drop you. Yeah that's like in Comcast company would say here's a little fingers screw you wanna go on your own you're no longer allowed to be on our platforms and how many houses is Comcast and DirecTV could do the same thing and there's that there's a delicate balancing act of they have watch ESPN and you could watch on a map what you have to have the cable. I think there are I think that's what's going on in the border and sell what point do we hold the plug completely. And how do we set it up so that. The revenue. Is equal when we do it and then on the upswing and if they've got enough if they've got enough clout around the country. Are they such a household name that if they took off everything and said OK if you pay 1095 a month. You did everything. ESPN broadcast all over the world yet at your fingertips on whatever device you want. So that we you know where's the breaking point. I have to imagine that's what's going on. In the corporate board room of programming to. Figure that out one last thing and Immelman and Justin Hopkins is gonna join us and talk about his new venture hump. I saw this Texan probably like 78 times from 78 different people. No ESPN hasn't nothing to do with what we do is a company now is they cut on air or there struggling. There is and I'd. No ramifications so he has been cutting on air that has nothing to do with us we are an entirely different entity we're not getting fired we promise you NASA ES being cunning on what we might get fired but I'll be very companies using ideas here very sure will say something stupid to gets us fired at some point but not today my friends he and his soon we promise we guarantee and then we will truly beat can't miss radio. We got a lot to get to in the second are really did tax on that topic at 55305. Sorry winning get all among layer but I've really enjoyed reading a mind the scenes. The cavs get a bad break last night. But on Shaq has waited for them and it. And about sure falls is going to be happening in the second 130 but we start hour two with friend of the show Justin Hopkins to explain his new venture. Justin Hopkins next to kick off the second ardor and sprayed on 1080 the fan.